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About Becoming One With God

A correspondent writes:

What you speak of is very far from us and would take very serious spiritual inner work to get that far. One of my favorite passages on this idea is from Meister Eckhart:
"As the soul becomes more pure and bare and poor, and possesses less of created things, and is emptied of all things that are not God, it receives God more purely, and is more completely in Him; and it truly becomes one with God, and it looks into God and God into it, face to face as it were; two images transformed into one. Some simple folk think that they will see God as if He were standing there and they here. It is not so. God and I, we are one."
It is very easy IMO to misunderstand what is meant by this truly extrordinary man.


How do we become a vehicle for Christ?

How do we surrender ourselves and become the vehicle?

First, one has to eliminate from within oneself all simulations of Christ, or as Paul said "to take on the mind of Christ". This means the end of all objectification of him. This is the meaning of "bride" of Christ - union with him.

Are we Christ?

Someone objects, "We are not little christs. That is heresy. It is the same heresy that the serpent uttered to Adam and Eve in Genesis 3 – “You will be like God”."

To be "like" God is different from being one with God. To be "like" God is to simulate God, which is to keep God at a safe distance from the ego, and thereby keep the ego intact. Idols are "like" God. They are simulations.

Is Jesus Christ God?

Here's a common claim: "God didn’t just “speak” through Jesus, God was Jesus; Jesus was God."

The burning bush on Mt. Sinai was on fire, but the fire did not consume the bush. The bush was fully fire and fully bush, just as Jesus is said to be fully God and fully man. One gives life, and one gives form. This is the "mystery", or, more rightly said, the subtle distinction. While we surrender ourselves to God in Christ, God uses us "as us". We don't disappear when God works through us, we become more alive. Just like Moses' burning bush was alive and on fire.

Jesus Christ as Mediator

Question: "Technomonk, if I am understanding you correctly, you believe that we can all become Christs or sons or daughters of God, but I’m wondering if you think that Jesus was something more special."

"More special" might not be the best way to describe Jesus. Perhaps more important, but not special and apart from us, not in the sense that he is somehow inhuman. This is where the mainstream Christian chuches have dropped the ball.

The Illusion of a Separate Self:

A reader complains that the INTU article Vortex has a dualistic slant to it, to which TechnoMonk replies:

I think that the whirlpool is a good analogy, because, like the self, it is a temporary phenomenon, impermanent. Whirlpools are the confluence of several different forces - gravity, momentum, the effects of the spinning of the earth (the Coriolis effect), etc. Doesn't the Buddha describe the self as the intersection of certain aspects, not a "thing" in itself?

The Spiritual Community Is of Two Minds When It Comes to Science:

A reader points out how some in the spiritual community have ambivalent feelings toward science:

She says, "Many folks who are more interested in spirituality than science don't like that some scientists tend to scoff at the softer side of things, yet they also want to find scientific justification for their claims. It's kind of a 'hey, don't look down on me, my stuff is just as scientific as your stuff'. I don't think that's a good way to approach things, myself. Science won't ever prove a philosophy, that's just not what science can do. It's ok that science and spirituality are two different things.

The Mind of Buddhism and the Heart of Christianity:

A Buddhist writes:

Buddhism can work in harmony with science for it does not cling to a supernatural being which other religions have cherished for fear/hope of punishment/reward in the afterlife. This religious delusion is the cause of man's suffering and ignorance.

Technomonk replies:

It is actually the ego and its delusion of self-importance that's the cause of all suffering and ignorance, and, unfortunately, scientists are just as prone to that as religionists, though I wish it were not so.

The Son/Sun of God:

The word son, as it was used at the time of Jesus, was connoted with the word sun - this alluding to Christ as a "sun god" - like Apollo. The name "Jesus", when used as a symbol, refers to a human being in whom the sun god finds expression. Taken literally, this says that Jesus of Nazareth was/is a person who has realized his Son/Sun-ship.

Reader objects to the term "spiritual energy":

He says, "I would like to propose a ban on the words "energy" and "vibration" in all religious discussion unless we're talking about actual physical energies and vibrations that can be measured. Otherwise these terms foster a cognitive illusion that something meaningful is being said when in fact nothing is being said."